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mohd
06-13-2006, 06:09 PM
Some reef keepers set their tank with instant salt but some set with sea water....
Is there any differences when we compair for such 2 things. Can we use the instant salt from salt farm? ( where brine is evaporated by the sun )

Boomer
06-15-2006, 02:57 PM
If I had a dollar for every poll on "What salt do you use" I could buy a new Cadillac :D

But poll away. Yes, I know this is little different

mohd
06-15-2006, 03:43 PM
If I had a dollar for every poll on "What salt do you use" I could buy a new Cadillac :D

But poll away. Yes, I know this is little different

Simple question but nobody could give the fact indeed. What would be happened if the answer all the same....... and no different!

Boomer
06-15-2006, 04:12 PM
Salts are different a number of asays show that and some NSW salt is rather poor, depends on where it came from. Have you looked for salt polls here ?

mohd
06-15-2006, 05:16 PM
Yes, I see that.... where can we get the best salt?

Scooterman
06-15-2006, 05:19 PM
I use Instant Ocean, it is relatively cheap & I can get it locally, If I lived near a reef & it was convenient then maybe I'd give that a try but I don't think I'd feel as safe as with the instant stuff JMO.

chris&barb
06-15-2006, 08:14 PM
if i could collect NSW i would for sure but i do 50 gal a week water changes so thats not an option. i used TM for years but its pricey, i just switched to IO about 2 months ago and haven't seen any ill effects

mohd
06-17-2006, 08:30 PM
if i could collect NSW i would for sure but i do 50 gal a week water changes so thats not an option. i used TM for years but its pricey, i just switched to IO about 2 months ago and haven't seen any ill effects
Talking about water changing.... I just plan to set a water treat set for treat the used and poluted water with liverock and bacteria bed before get it back to the tank after 1 or 2 weeks.

mohd
06-17-2006, 08:33 PM
I use Instant Ocean, it is relatively cheap & I can get it locally, If I lived near a reef & it was convenient then maybe I'd give that a try but I don't think I'd feel as safe as with the instant stuff JMO.
That depends on where are you in the world. My friend found nothing effect with the tank by sucking sea water to his tanks (The saa only at his back yard)

Krish
06-17-2006, 08:43 PM
I live in the Bahamas and use Instant Ocean salt. Just a personal preference...I'm afraid I may add something bad into the tank just that "one time" so I don't take the chance. People tell me all the time that I am crazy for not using natural sea water, but that is just me(LOL) Here is a photo I took earlier this year when we were out in the boat. I guess that is why people say I am nuts for not wanting to use this water.:p

http://img68.imageshack.us/img68/5957/69ay.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

mohd
06-17-2006, 08:47 PM
I live in the Bahamas and use Instant Ocean salt. Just a personal preference...I'm afraid I may add something bad into the tank just that "one time" so I don't take the chance. People tell me all the time that I am crazy for not using natural sea water, but that is just me(LOL) Here is a photo I took earlier this year when we were out in the boat. I guess that is why people say I am nuts for not wanting to use this water.:p

http://img68.imageshack.us/img68/5957/69ay.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

If the thing we're talking about "Sea water" can be used as replacement.... What would be happened with instant salt seller in the Reef keeper market???

Krish
06-17-2006, 09:03 PM
If the thing we're talking about "Sea water" can be used as replacement.... What would be happened with instant salt seller in the Reef keeper market???

Well, they would go bankrupt!(LOL) I know a few people who use NSW here as is (without filtering it, running it through a UV sterilizer etc). They just simply take it out of the ocean and pour it right into their tank without any problems. I mean when you think about it, it really doesn't get much better than the "real thing" but on that same note, you still have to be careful when using NSW that you don't happen to transfer something bad into your tank because we don't have the volume of the ocean to dilute anything in our little tanks. That's why if I personally ever used NSW, I'd have to run it through some kind of UV sterilizer or some sort of filtration system first to make sure I get out any nasties (but then it may be pointless using it, if you are killing off everything). One of my friends here can only keep his corals alive by using our NSW. Anything else, and they die...A member here Paul (PaulB) uses natural seawater and probably has the longest running tank (35yrs old). So it can be used with great success...I just personally choose not to:)

mohd
06-17-2006, 09:09 PM
Well, they would go bankrupt!(LOL) I know a few people who use NSW here as is (without filtering it, running it through a UV sterilizer etc). They just simply take it out of the ocean and pour it right into their tank without any problems. I mean when you think about it, it really doesn't get much better than the "real thing" but on that same note, you still have to be careful when using NSW that you don't happen to transfer something bad into your tank because we don't have the volume of the ocean to dilute anything in our little tanks. That's why if I personally ever used NSW, I'd have to run it through some kind of UV sterilizer or some sort of filtration system first to make sure I get out any nasties (but then it may be pointless using it, if you are killing off everything). One of my friends here can only keep his corals alive by using our NSW. Anything else, and they die...A member here Paul (PaulB) uses natural seawater and probably has the longest running tank (35yrs old). So it can be used with great success...I just personally choose not to:)

People here sometime sucking sea water to the tank and put a heavy choline or ozone to kill all things in the water. ( 2-3 days before using it ) that all Marine institute suggest people to do as such.

Krish
06-17-2006, 09:26 PM
People here sometime sucking sea water to the tank and put a heavy choline or ozone to kill all things in the water. ( 2-3 days before using it ) that all Marine institute suggest people to do as such.

Yeah...That's basically what I would do if I used NSW...I'd UV sterilize it in a big drum or something, maybe run it through a micron cartridge, just to be safe. Not sure if you've ever heard about (or seen) Atlantis here in the Bahamas, but they pump water straight in from the ocean for their tanks. From what I understand, the water isn't filtered or anything coming in, but they do use UV sterilizers on the water being pumped out back into the ocean. If you want to see some photos of what their tanks and fish look like (if you haven't seen it already) click here and look at some of my photos taken there http://www.reeffrontiers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15653 These fish are very happy and healthy in these tanks supplied by NSW:)

charlesr1958
06-18-2006, 03:39 AM
Not that I have a choice since there are no salt mixes available to me here (mactan island, philippines), but I have used nothing but ocean water going straight to my tank, I hit the water at least twice a week and bring home 15 gallons each time and add it right in. Never had any problems at all in doing so, in fact, I think you just can not beat it, for one, its as natural as you are going to get, no worries about elements being this or that level, its free, and it adds alot of food to the tank as far as plankton, once I do a water change, the corals all go right into feeding mode although to me it all looks like clear water. But if given a choice, I would stay with NSW, all the manufacturers use it as their benchmark for good reasons.

http://home2.pacific.net.ph/%7Esweetyummy42/island6.jpg

mohd
06-18-2006, 03:55 AM
Not that I have a choice since there are no salt mixes available to me here (mactan island, philippines), but I have used nothing but ocean water going straight to my tank, I hit the water at least twice a week and bring home 15 gallons each time and add it right in. Never had any problems at all in doing so, in fact, I think you just can not beat it, for one, its as natural as you are going to get, no worries about elements being this or that level, its free, and it adds alot of food to the tank as far as plankton, once I do a water change, the corals all go right into feeding mode although to me it all looks like clear water. But if given a choice, I would stay with NSW, all the manufacturers use it as their benchmark for good reasons.

http://home2.pacific.net.ph/%7Esweetyummy42/island6.jpg

Good idea, That all what I am thinking about and do right now......

The Apprentice
06-18-2006, 05:14 AM
Instant salt for me Kind of hard to use NSW when you live 250 miles inland.
:)

Paul B
06-18-2006, 06:57 AM
If I had a dollar for every poll on "What salt do you use" I could buy a new Cadillac


Boomer is correct. First take a Cadillac and fill it with salt before you use it.:badgrin:

I take water from here, the Atlantic Ocean, thats where fish come from. I usually just check the salinity and dump it in.
Have a great Father's day.
Paul

The East end of Long Island. If you listen, you can almost hear Billy Joel singing. He lives there, but of course that doesen't make the water any better.

ronj
06-18-2006, 05:59 PM
why would you show us that pic.... now we're all jealous :)

mohd
06-18-2006, 09:35 PM
Lucky me! I haven't show the picture after Tshunami yet...! as the government cleain Thailand is the most beautiful place in the world...! God! Hard to believe it.

shallowreef
06-19-2006, 01:13 PM
i use lake michigan water and mix my salt. I use tropic marine and have had no problems with it.

zoo_keeper
07-20-2006, 11:00 PM
I was reading an article on the net about sea urchins. This scientist developed a bio-assay to test sea water from different sources. The bio-assay involved how many sea urchin embryos died with different types of water. There were a certain number of deaths in natural sea water but virtually zero in all brands of artificial sea water. It surprised me.

mohd
07-20-2006, 11:07 PM
Amazing world....

Herefishyfishy
07-20-2006, 11:14 PM
Water changes? Must be a lot of rich folk here with time on their hands, LOL

Living in the puget sound, I would be afraid of accidentaly introducing hitchhikers, such as Orca or seal lions. Ya never know what might be in that thar bucket! :D (along with PCBs, mercury, dioxins, pesticides, phosphates, etc.):(

shallowreef
07-21-2006, 06:51 AM
I hate doing water changes.