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Gazbo
02-17-2013, 12:06 PM
I been skimming through the old threads and seems like there are mixed reviews on skimmers.

I now have a old SWC skimmer that just isn't working right I can't get the bubbles to even make it to the collection cup they stop about 2" short and out of the outlet of the skimmer in a ton of micro bubbles which is getting into my DT I have to adjust it every couple of days when it is working correctly I just replaced the pump thinking that maybe that was the issue and if anything its worse, its been 3 days and still no change I know sometimes it takes some time to get everything working correctly but think its time to replace it.

My tank is 150gl and the sump is 55gl semi heavy bio load and have mixed tank slowly converting it more toward sps and lps but have alot of soflties to. Looking for something doesn't have an issue with dumping a bunch of micro bubbles back into the sump and doesn't constantly have to be adjusted.

Thanks

Peppie
02-17-2013, 12:25 PM
What model of SWC is it? Do you have a pic?

Gazbo
02-17-2013, 12:36 PM
here is a pic. when its working correctly, when its working right it does a awesome job but still always had an issue with micro bubbles

http://i1076.photobucket.com/albums/w447/Gazbo1/newpicsofsump007.jpg

http://i1076.photobucket.com/albums/w447/Gazbo1/protienskimmer001-1.jpg

pandora32
02-17-2013, 12:48 PM
I have a skimz protien skimmer. Very happy with it. As far as i can tell, aqua cave is the distributor for us here in the us. The model i have is the SM 251. It has an air draw of 1,920 l/h. You should check them out.

SKIMZ Kone E-Series Protein Skimmers - AquaCave.com (http://www.aquacave.com/SKIMZ-Kone-E-Series-Protein-Skimmers-C663.aspx)

SKIMZ Monzter E-Series Protein Skimmers - AquaCave.com (http://www.aquacave.com/SKIMZ-Monzter-E-Series-Protein-Skimmers-C662.aspx)

pandora32
02-17-2013, 12:50 PM
Isnt there supposed to be a piece of foam going over the outlet pipe to stop the bubbles? Looks like an asm skimmer type outlet, no offense.

Gazbo
02-17-2013, 01:30 PM
I bought this with my tank so not sure how really it should look but the top says SWC on the lid and the foam that was with it keeps slidding down the pipe, I have a rubber band holding a piece of foam at the top but there are still bubbles. This sump isn't a traditional one with baffles to help reduce the micro bubbles it is how it came with the tank but thinking when I replace the skimmer it would be a good time to add some baffles to help with this.

mercenary-grunt
02-17-2013, 01:34 PM
I likey obd. irs skimms great. but your skimmer looks a lot like the one I have for my seahorse tank that isn't working any more. so im trying to get it working. bit my obd skimmer is on my 180g predator tank.

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Gazbo
02-17-2013, 01:51 PM
I have a skimz protien skimmer. Very happy with it. As far as i can tell, aqua cave is the distributor for us here in the us. The model i have is the SM 251. It has an air draw of 1,920 l/h. You should check them out.

SKIMZ Kone E-Series Protein Skimmers - AquaCave.com (http://www.aquacave.com/SKIMZ-Kone-E-Series-Protein-Skimmers-C663.aspx)

SKIMZ Monzter E-Series Protein Skimmers - AquaCave.com (http://www.aquacave.com/SKIMZ-Monzter-E-Series-Protein-Skimmers-C662.aspx)

They look like good units and have good reviews. How is yours? are you constantly having to adjust it, and how is the micro bubbles it produces? The reviews are good on the skimming of the unit but nothing really on the normal maintenace and any issues discovered down the road

Gazbo
02-17-2013, 01:54 PM
I likey obd. irs skimms great. but your skimmer looks a lot like the one I have for my seahorse tank that isn't working any more. so im trying to get it working. bit my obd skimmer is on my 180g predator tank.

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I was checking them out and looks like a great unit really like the feeding option but it says its rated for 100-150gl tanks and just worried it might be undersized for my system

Gazbo
02-17-2013, 02:43 PM
I use to work out of town alot but things slowed down and haven't had to but sure it will happen again soon so a unit that doesn't need constant adjusting is important maybe there is no such thing but like I said when my Skimmer is working I was adjusting every 1-2days. So any feedback on units that do this, maybe they are all basically the same I don't know I have not purchased a skimmer for many years

Peppie
02-17-2013, 09:11 PM
The OBD Air Driven Counter Current skimmers is a set and forget unit. I know for a fact it will handle a tank over 150gals.

trido
02-17-2013, 09:43 PM
Your SWC skimmer will probably be fine if you (worst case scenario) pick up a new pump for it. Have you taken it out lately and completely cleaned it? Quite often you will get a calcium and salt build up in the venturi causing lack or air intake. Unless your pump is changing it RPM's the air intake or sump water level is the only reason the level inside the skimmer will change other than feeding. Also, the water should run through the sponge on the output telling me that it is dirty at least in that picture. If its clean and there is still too much water to run through the sponge your problem is almost definitely lack of air through the venturi.

Gazbo
02-17-2013, 10:08 PM
I just put a new pump on it since it was having issues and its worse now.Before I would clean it and it would work great but would have to adjust it every 2-3 days before I couldn't adjust it anymore then clean it again start over but then it got to the point I was adjusting daily and after 3 days it couldn't be adjusted anymore that's when I put a new pump on it and now the bubbles stop shy of the cup really small bubbles not large working slowly into the collection cup as before. I have not changed sump water level and as far as feeding goes I have increased those trying to get my sailfin tang weight back up

trido
02-17-2013, 10:11 PM
YOu have and ATO of some sort on your sump then and the water level in the sump chamber doesn't change? Have you cleaned the air intake on the venturi?

Gazbo
02-17-2013, 10:19 PM
Yeah I have a ATO and when I changed out the pump I blew out the air thing and seemed clean

trido
02-17-2013, 10:23 PM
I blew out the air thing and seemed clean Blowing out the air intake will not remove the calcium/salt build up. You either need to soak it in vinegar or reem it out with something. I usually run a drill bit into it real quick. There really isn't no other explanation for your skimmer to not have enough air.

Gazbo
02-17-2013, 10:35 PM
I will try anything, there is a black cap looking thing at the end of the airline is that needed?

trido
02-17-2013, 10:38 PM
I will try anything, there is a black cap looking thing at the end of the airline is that needed?

No it is not. It's a silencer and it can also be plugged with salt creep. Often there is poly material in the silencer that can be plugged with dust

Gazbo
02-17-2013, 11:17 PM
Well I will remove that to see if that helps or fixes it

kpiotrowski
02-17-2013, 11:54 PM
what other changes have you made recenlty as far as additives and foods.

I have heard this story before and just have trouble believing that other than the pump or someting is plugged ,dirty or broken, that a skimme just stops working. imo you bought the new pump so I would stay with it until you figure it out.

Gazbo
02-18-2013, 12:07 AM
Yeah the only thing I can think of is I did a full sump clean out/maintenance a couple weeks back and its crowded maybe the water current changed enough to mess it up but its always been a pain. Think I will just keep moving it around find the sweet spot. Now I got to think that maybe its time for a real sump or modify this one like a sump should be add baffles get the equipment separated a little both intank pumps are within 2" of each other on the skimmer pump and main supply pump

Skimmy
02-18-2013, 03:02 AM
you can either modify that skimmer, or be done with it...
if it was me, id just drop kick it to the curb... you've obviuosly had it for years... its done its job..

and +1 on the OBD skimmer... its sick. a little overkill for that tank, but you can dial it in perfectly to whatever power you want.

Gazbo
02-18-2013, 10:17 AM
Yeah think I will look into OBD skimmers. But also think it would be beneficial to modify my sump this weekend what is a average water height for most Skimmers think I read 9" on one unit is that about average?

eww
02-18-2013, 11:39 AM
It seems most venturi type skimmers fall between the 8-10" water depth range. With ours, it doesn't matter the water depth since it is not reliant on the back pressure of the pump being under water to feed it properly. The small maxi-jet pump feeds it perfectly and it can be tuned with the included gate valve on the exhaust. The air is separately injected with an air pump and that too can be regulated individually from the water flow. So in essence, between tuning separate water and air inputs, you can tune this skimmer to just about any size aquarium with any size bio-load. There are min/max's to it's size/load capacity but they are vastly wider than most venturi style units.

Gazbo
02-18-2013, 12:01 PM
Which skimmer would you recommend the R6 or signature series. That way I have an idea how much space to give when I add baffles to my sump

pandora32
02-18-2013, 12:27 PM
They look like good units and have good reviews. How is yours? are you constantly having to adjust it, and how is the micro bubbles it produces? The reviews are good on the skimming of the unit but nothing really on the normal maintenace and any issues discovered down the road

There are no micro bubbles. The only time i readjust the skimmer is once a month when i take it out and clean it. Cleaning mine is a breeze. Only trouble i have is getting it out of my stand. Stand isnt thought out very good.

eww
02-18-2013, 02:02 PM
The RLSS R-6i skimmer is a very nice unit. It is a venturi style unit and will require the typical adjustments and a certain water depth to perform. It is powered by the Waveline DC2500 pump which is a variable speed pump so you can set your water flow rate. This hits your target aquarium size. If an upgrade in aquarium size or a heavy bio-load is in your future (like most of us :D) I would look to the Signature Series unit as it can handle a lot more volume and is adjustable to handle much less as well. The footprint on the RLSS unit is small at 9" x 6 3/4" so I would recommend a minimum box sixe of 10" x 10" while the OBD Signature Series needs roughly a 12" x 12" box to fit comfortably with a little wiggle room.

Gazbo
02-18-2013, 03:56 PM
[QUOTE The footprint on the RLSS unit is small at 9" x 6 3/4" so I would recommend a minimum box sixe of 10" x 10" while the OBD Signature Series needs roughly a 12" x 12" box to fit comfortably with a little wiggle room.[/QUOTE]

Do these sizes include pump as well or just the unit itself? After I modify my sump hopefully I can get my skimmer working until I can get funds back (swap was to much fun)and replace skimmer later if not will have to due it asap. Due you have the OBD signature in stock and what is the height? I know there's room for the RLSS.

Thanks Mark

eww
02-18-2013, 08:15 PM
The RLSS pump is installed inside the bottom of the skimmer so you do not need to allow any extra space.

The Signature Series skimmer does have a little maxi-jet pump to put somewhere but it is really small and since it is remote you can put it just about anywhere and just run a hose from the pump to the skimmer input.

mfinn
02-18-2013, 08:23 PM
The OBD Air Driven Counter Current skimmers is a set and forget unit. I know for a fact it will handle a tank over 150gals.


+ 1. +2. +3:first:

Gazbo
02-18-2013, 08:41 PM
The sump is 55gl I plan on putting baffles in this weekend if I gave an area of 12"X16" would that be enough for both pump and skimmer on the signature series? Then the other concern I have is height only have about 26" unless I position it between my framing and gain another 3 1/2".

I haven't really got any skimming for about 4 days now when should I start to panic?

eww
02-18-2013, 08:51 PM
Do you have the OBD signature in stock and what is the height?

I forgot to answer these... The height of our skimmer is exactly 26" and you will need about 1/2" minimum for lifting the cup off for maintenance so hopefully you can position it between your framing to gain that extra height. The diameter of the cup is 10" exactly so make sure you have enough room between your lumber for that. If all else fails we can build you a custom unit that is a couple of inches shorter to fit. I would take a few days. We have the standard 26" tall one on the shelf now ready to go.

A 12" x 16" area would be plenty of room in the sump.

mfinn
02-18-2013, 09:26 PM
I haven't really got any skimming for about 4 days now when should I start to panic?


I am a big fan of large skimmers, so when I say this, it almost hurts LOL
You can get by without a skimmer for a while. You just need another way of nutient export.
An extra water change a few days earlier, will do plenty.
Feed a little less.
I know some people run nice reef tanks without using a skimmer, although I would never do it.

Gazbo
02-18-2013, 10:57 PM
. If all else fails we can build you a custom unit that is a couple of inches shorter to fit. I would take a few days. We have the standard 26" tall one on the shelf now ready to go.


Great to hear thanks for your help. If making it shorter would that effect the performance at all and would there be any price increase for a custom build like that. If I can't get mine up and running this weekend then deffinetly will be replacing it and shorter would make it easier for me but don't want to effect the performance so I would keep it stock then.

eww
02-18-2013, 11:22 PM
An inch or two does not effect the performance enough to make any significant difference. That being said, I don't know if we could have a custom one built by this weekend. I would need to check our schedule and see if we could knock it out or not. There is no extra charge for a shorter version of the original. There would be for taller as it involves more material but not for shorter.

Gazbo
02-18-2013, 11:44 PM
An inch or two does not effect the performance enough to make any significant difference. That being said, I don't know if we could have a custom one built by this weekend. I would need to check our schedule and see if we could knock it out or not. There is no extra charge for a shorter version of the original. There would be for taller as it involves more material but not for shorter.

Yeah I wouldn't need one this weekend but if I fail getting mine working this weekend after the sumps modified then possiby the following weekend if your schedule allows I will let you know Sunday or Monday if that works for you. Oh and if mine does some how decides to work again I will still be replacing just may take a little to build the funds up could do it now if forced but may cost me a few nights on the couch:) Thanks again for your help and everyones input.

mercenary-grunt
02-21-2013, 11:22 AM
heres pics of mine I really like it. ichthys wanted some.

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Ichthys
02-21-2013, 07:01 PM
Uhmm Stealth Skimmer? with invisable Skimmate lol? think you forgot the pics

heres pics of mine I really like it. ichthys wanted some.

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mercenary-grunt
02-22-2013, 02:02 AM
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/02/22/amyqu3ud.jpg
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/02/22/urezuteb.jpg
lets try this. apparently the pics didn't go thru. I had them on here but I dont know why they didn't work.
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Ichthys
02-22-2013, 03:47 AM
Looking at your setup I am a bit comfused, you have the gate valve on the input between the Maxijet which i assume is under that reactor and the skimmer input? It looks like your outflow pipe is just free flowing straight up? Is that correct? If so, why did you gate valve the input? Thanks
ichy

Ichthys
02-22-2013, 10:51 AM
With all my vast self important aquarium knowledge, I was about to point out that you do not have a SWC skimmer, it is more likely a Euro-Reef as SWC has never ever used that tyle neck connector, and if it did say SWC on top it mst have picked up a different top at some point in its life.
Then I came across this picture.
http://users.zoominternet.net/~python73/swap/skimmer.jpg
And so now I will sheepishly go back to being a noob..


here is a pic. when its working correctly, when its working right it does a awesome job but still always had an issue with micro bubbles

http://i1076.photobucket.com/albums/w447/Gazbo1/newpicsofsump007.jpg

http://i1076.photobucket.com/albums/w447/Gazbo1/protienskimmer001-1.jpg

Gazbo
02-22-2013, 01:39 PM
Well at least you found a picture of one Couldn't even do that. Last time it was giving me problems I looked everywhere for a pic. Or manual for it and gave up. I am guessing its around 8 years old but I have no idea I bought it with the tank,

Skimmy
02-22-2013, 02:24 PM
With all my vast self important aquarium knowledge, I was about to point out that you do not have a SWC skimmer, it is more likely a Euro-Reef as SWC has never ever used that tyle neck connector, and if it did say SWC on top it mst have picked up a different top at some point in its life.
Then I came across this picture.
And so now I will sheepishly go back to being a noob..

*facepalm....lol
yes, SWC actually had that design first, before honya shenizen in china sold it to octopus as well...
then coralvue starting importing them to usa.
so that is the same as a first genereation octopus skimmer.
yes, prolly 8 years old or slightly more. :)

Gazbo
02-26-2013, 12:22 PM
Well my sump modifications didn't work. I did clean out the air intake to the pump and there was some build up thought it was fixed but not that lucky it helped and I am barely skimmy at max flow. So I have Mike at OBD making a custom skimmer and will pick it up this Saturday.

Thanks again for everyone's suggestions and ideas will let ya know how this Cadillac skimmer works.

Gazbo
03-03-2013, 05:44 PM
Well got everything installed I also talked myself into buying a bioplastic/Reactor setup while I was there, now its just breaking it in and doing some fine tuning. So far love everything about it, high quality and setup up was very easy. Thanks again to everyone at OBD, always fun and enjoyable:)

Gazbo
03-08-2013, 10:48 PM
Well still trying to dial in the Skimmer in not sure what the total break in period is either its to much or not enough but sure I will have it soon, think the bioplastic reactor is helping corals have larger than normal polyp extension everything is just looking better than ever.

Ichthys
03-13-2013, 12:46 PM
Hi Gaz, I was hoping for an update on your new skimmer from OBD? Have any pics? You have had it a few weeks now, was just wondering how it was doing, I am close to giving up on building my own *' version and am probably going to pick up an OBD Sig Series my self so was just curious how yours is doing.
Tanks

Well still trying to dial in the Skimmer in not sure what the total break in period is either its to much or not enough but sure I will have it soon, think the bioplastic reactor is helping corals have larger than normal polyp extension everything is just looking better than ever.

Gazbo
03-13-2013, 02:39 PM
Actually just got broken in this weekend now is just fine tuning. Definitely worth every penny and I would also suggest adding the biopellet reactor to anyone system my corals seem to be doing better than ever, better polyp extension.


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