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    For me it would be last in line
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    Quote Originally Posted by mfinn View Post
    So why do you want to change?




    If it ain't broke............................................. ..................

    A potential problem with this logic is that just because we dont think its not broke, doesn't mean its not broke. What I am trying to say is this.. in another thread here at RF there was a good discussion with Boomer about Phosphate. the short of it is that we can not adequately measure the type of phosphate we care about in our systems with the test kits most of us use. I don't remember the details, but basically, just because your test kit says zero phosphate, doesn't mean you are ok.
    Add to this that most reefers buy a test kit and use it till it runs out so are using old expired kits, who knows what our reef chemistry truly is.
    Now I am not saying add every gadget in the world just to be safe, I am simoply saying that I believe many of us operate under a semifalse sense of security because of inadequate testing, kits, processes, or interpretation.
    does any of that make sense?
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    danny,

    it does, but it sounds like you are entering into the "moron cycle" (no disrespect here, it is just what the cycle is called).
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    no disrespect taken, I understand the concept of fiddling with things ad infinitum until you have more crap in your system than you can cope with. I have seen tanks with coral and fish with nothing more than a heater and HoB filter, and I have seen systems with automated everything, kalk, calcium reactor, gfo, biopellets, carbon, zeovit, vodka, dosing pumps, UV, the list of things you can add goes on forever.
    For many hobbyists the goal is to have a successful salt water aquarium. The definition of successful is wide and varied. In my eyes, there is a difference in simply keeping the livestock alive and having the livestock THRIVE. To me this means good growth of desirable specimens while keeping undesirable specimens in check. For us this means water chemistry kept within some pretty tight parameters.
    Lets use a sample of "wild" water taken directly from a reef in a pristine location as our reference. We want to get as close to this as possible in our closed systems. If we are 96% there with current equipment, and adding gadget "a" will increase our system to 96.5%, is that worth the investment? Will corals live and grow at the 96% standard? Will they grow better at the 96.5% level. Is it worth x number of dollars to inch ever closer to the 100% benchmark? These are questions that only the individual hobbyist can answer, and for many of us, the drive to inch ever closer to that 100% "gold standard" is part of the allure of the hobby, while for others as long as things arent jumping out of the tank or dying, then they call it good.

    We can see parallels in other hobbies. Computers, is it worth upgrading to more RAm or a SSHD or configuring a Striped RAID array in order to improve load times by seconds or fractions of a second? For some spending 200 bucks on faster ram in order to shave 2 seconds of a load time is worth it.

    Cars- Is adding performance air intakes or fuel additives worth improving performance by a small increment?

    I know like I seem to be rambling, but seriously, questions like.. should I add a bio pellet reactor or should i dose vodka, or should i have a fuge are dependent on so many variables that they approach irrelevance. In the end the question one must ask is this. Am I content with current parameters or do i wish to invest x number of dollars for y amount of improvement.

    PS look at my sig line lol. Glass, water, fish, all else is extraneous, that kinda sounds opposite of someone with as many reactors and gadgets as i have on my system lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ichthys View Post
    A potential problem with this logic is that just because we dont think its not broke, doesn't mean its not broke. What I am trying to say is this.. in another thread here at RF there was a good discussion with Boomer about Phosphate. the short of it is that we can not adequately measure the type of phosphate we care about in our systems with the test kits most of us use. I don't remember the details, but basically, just because your test kit says zero phosphate, doesn't mean you are ok.
    Add to this that most reefers buy a test kit and use it till it runs out so are using old expired kits, who knows what our reef chemistry truly is.
    Now I am not saying add every gadget in the world just to be safe, I am simoply saying that I believe many of us operate under a semifalse sense of security because of inadequate testing, kits, processes, or interpretation.
    does any of that make sense?
    I guess if you want to spend your time in the hobby looking for problems or looking for a excuse to buy another piece of equipment, then more power to you.
    The op said he was not having issues, but was wondering if he should add another piece of equipment.
    IMO, the less moving parts, the less chance of problems.

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    good discussion..let's keep it going.

    I have a biopellet reactor for the sole purpose of all the fish that I have (or will have-some are still in QT) in my tank..it is used to control PO4..period..
    I also have a UV sterilizer along with ozone...for the angelfish I have, I need top water quality..it is a tradeoff I am willing to do...once I get my UV up and running again, I will be using the ozone not as much, but will be on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mfinn View Post
    I guess if you want to spend your time in the hobby looking for problems or looking for a excuse to buy another piece of equipment, then more power to you.
    The op said he was not having issues, but was wondering if he should add another piece of equipment.
    IMO, the less moving parts, the less chance of problems.
    Marty, you have one of the most beautiful tanks on this board. Your 240 is truly stunning. Your 180 and then your 240 have long been acknowledged as one of the best softie tanks in the area. You once said "It's just a plain old softy tank. Seems to run itself. In fact it's a basic berlin tank". I love that, and keeping it simple has worked well for you, but even you have made improvements in equipment over time. You started with the ASM G4, you upgraded or modded the pumps, upgraded again to a BM250 and then to a OBD Skimmer. You upgraded your lighting from mh and vho to the Radions, but through all your upgrades, your driving theory has seemed to be keeping it simple and low maintenance so you don't have to be tied to it everyday. That approach works well with a softie tank. I suppose before offering the advice I did to the OP, i should have asked what he was planning on keeping. If he was upgrading to a 125 with predominant softies, then I would agree that the less "moving parts" the better. If he intends on going with thousands of dollars in SPS, then it may be wise to "buy another piece of equipment".
    Glass, water, and fish..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ichthys View Post
    Marty, you have one of the most beautiful tanks on this board. Your 240 is truly stunning. Your 180 and then your 240 have long been acknowledged as one of the best softie tanks in the area. You once said "It's just a plain old softy tank. Seems to run itself. In fact it's a basic berlin tank". I love that, and keeping it simple has worked well for you, but even you have made improvements in equipment over time. You started with the ASM G4, you upgraded or modded the pumps, upgraded again to a BM250 and then to a OBD Skimmer. You upgraded your lighting from mh and vho to the Radions, but through all your upgrades, your driving theory has seemed to be keeping it simple and low maintenance so you don't have to be tied to it everyday. That approach works well with a softie tank. I suppose before offering the advice I did to the OP, i should have asked what he was planning on keeping. If he was upgrading to a 125 with predominant softies, then I would agree that the less "moving parts" the better. If he intends on going with thousands of dollars in SPS, then it may be wise to "buy another piece of equipment".

    First, thank-you for the compliments.
    Second you are right about the end goal.
    I suppose my drive to keep it simple sometimes ( always?) clouds my advice.

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    lol, no, i think we all just naturally speak from our own perspective. Its normal. I read your thread, something i truly appreciate is how you talked about having to be away for work sometimes for weeks, and you have designed things to make it easy and less time intensive for your wife to care for while you are away. Thats smart, and considerate, and ends up making for an awesome softie display.
    Heres an interesting twist to all this.. Guerry had a predominant SPS tank with LOTS of gadgets, and here is a comment from him made earlier today
    Quote Originally Posted by Guerry View Post
    .... I pulled the plug on all cabon dosing removed as many as 5 diffent reactors leaving only my SRO6000 skimmer for filtation and the funny thing is tank started looking better after a few months of no water changes or me doing anything for that matter. So now days it's just simple and no more trick of the week reef keeping for me, ..... thanks Guerry
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    I saw that post as well this morning.

    I had to smile a little.

    I still think husbandry and water changes are the most important resource for maintaining any kind of tank.

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    I've been running an Avast Marine Bio Pellet reactor for almost two years. I've seen no measurable benefit.
    The bio pellets have not visibly decreased in size since being introduced when the reactor was first started.

    I've been leaning towards removing the bio pellets and using it to run either GAC or phosban or the generic equivalent.
    "Chaos, confusion, despair...my work is done here."
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    will be sitting next to you saying, "Damn...that was fun!"

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    I took a bio pellet reactor off line and saw a decent amount of algae growth lol. I'm now trying and playing around with diff.brands.
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    I ran biopellet, GFO, Macro, and skimmer. Just because i have a very high bio-load. Lot of fish.
    If you decide to use biopellet, start very slow. I started mine with 1/5 of recommended and increase slowly.

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