I've had calls from people for help for Flooded floors, burned up water pumps( sump ran low) and one for flames coming out of the stand (They let the sump run low, the water pump over heated and literally caught the wood stand on fire - luckerly some one was in the office). Now I understand they can be set up correctly. I have three still that I set up. They have never flooded th floor, but I see enough post about flooded floors and the problems with the overflows and calls from none customers; That IMO they are for most a problem waiting to happen.NaH2O said:Ray,
How are they "trouble waiting to happen"? I'm curious....
NeilsReef said:In a commercial setting I can kind of see where you are coming from Ray.
I would imagine there are lots of reasons people hire a service. Some of these individuals may lack the time and or knowledge of the hobby itself (not all by any means). There are probably numerous other reasons people hire a tank cleaning service, so I will not try to cover them all, nor do I claim to know them all. In essence a tank maintenance service provide a needed and valuable profession, they provide piece of mind. The tank will always get cleaned and the problems there in will get taken care of, when one has a service. -
I am sure some of your customers don't top of their tanks when the water evaporates. So in that respect, sumps that run dry can have pumps burn up, sounds only logical - These people were not my customers, they are hobbyist who call for help after the problem helps. Or were some one elses customer. A lot of times it is people who come home from vacation to find the problem. Sometimes it is they just got too busy and did not check it regularly. Or they had a service but the system was not set up correctly by that service. As a maintenance company it is easier to set them up and cheaper ( for the customer I no long lease tanks) without a sump. I also do not have to worry as much. I also have not seen any real difference in the tanks I set up now adays without them and the tanks I still have with them. No more algae and no larger water changes.
I guess since I enjoy working on my hobby myself, I like to set up top off systems that work even when I am not home. So my water level is almost always right where I want it. If I wasn't limited by funds I would purchase a pump shut off device, in case a fluke accident ever happens, maybe my sump breaks (probably not very likely, it is acrylic).
If a sump is the correct size for the tank, and the sump isn't over filled I really can't see a reason it would over flow when the power goes off? Unless someone has a pipe (like a spray bar) or something similar that jets down into their tank, with out any sort of siphon breaks and or anti siphoning methods in place. - ]You are correct. Set up correctly they should not overflow.
It seems to me there are many preventative measures that one can take to insure that major catastrophes donâ€™t happen. Oftentimes they can be simplistic and low cost solutions that give piece of mind. - ]You are correct - No sump is cheaped than a sump (Lower cost) and very simple.
I agree, I used it in the Air Force for years and continue today.NeilsReef said:Quote from Ray "I like keeping things simple. The less equipment that can be used, the lower the cost and less things that can go wrong. Just my opinion"
Ray that sounds good, I have used that approach for years in the Army. It worked well, thanks Ray